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- OF-342245
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- 10/11/14
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- 897
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Niềm tin sai lệch bị thổi phồng và lan truyền trên internet như thế nào?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/opinion/sunday/truth-lies-spread-online.html
quy giá trị vốn hóa cty theo ngày công lao động phổ thông
apple có vốn hóa 1300 tỷ usd/30,000usd (1 năm công lđộng phổ thông hiện nay, tính luôn mỹ cho xông xênh) = 43tr ngày công
Dutch east india có vốn hóa đỉnh điểm 78tr dutch guilder / 315 = 250,000 ngày công (ngay cả cái vốn hóa 78tr dutch guilder k biết Business insider lấy từ đâu ra?)
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-todays-tech-giants-compare-to-massive-companies-of-empires-past-2017-12
1 năm lương của 1 người lao động không kỹ năng vào năm 1660 được trả công tầm 314 guilder, như ở mỹ hiện tại 1 ông lao động phổ thông được trả tầm 30,000usd hay 1 guilder = 100usd với thời giá hiện tại (quy đổi theo giá trị sức lao động)
mà Business insider tính tỷ giá 1 dutch guilder = 100,000usd(2 kg vàng), ảo quá trời luôn
liệu 1660 1 người lao động phổ thông có được trả 2kg vàng cho 1 năm lao động không?
https://lensonleeuwenhoek.net/content/what-was-guilder-worth
https://www.finfacts-blog.com/2018/03/claim-dutch-east-india-co-most-valuable.html
http://vanosnabrugge.org/docs/dutchmoney.htm
Mitssipi co.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Mississippi-Bubble
625,000 cổ x 18,000 livre 1 cổ hay 11.25 tỷ livre
93 livre đổi 1 ounce vàng năm 1726, cứ coi vàng giá trị nội hàm như nhau giữa 2019 và 1726 thì 1 livre tương đương 16usd hiện tại
vậy giá trị Mississipi tương đương 183 tỷ usd hiện tại, mà bài báo lại nói là 6800 tỷ usd
Thêm đó nữa GDP pháp năm 1760 tầm 8 tỷ livres, mà cty này giá trị 11.25 ty livres
GDP pháp ngay cả thời điểm hiện tại -đã điều chỉnh lạm phát (tức phải cao hơn rất nhiều 1760) cũng chỉ 2800 tỷ usd, vậy làm sao Mitssissipi có thể đạt vốn hóa 6800 tỷ năm 1720?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_livre
https://www.britannica.com/event/Mississippi-Bubble
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_France
https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/27692/1/MPRA_paper_27692.pdf
Claim Dutch East India Company most valuable in history not credible
This statue of Jan Pieterszoon Coen (1587-1629), the VOC governor general for Asia, was erected in his native Dutch town of Hoorn in 1893. In 1621 Coen had organised the genocide of about 14,000 inhabitants of the Banda Islands, a group of small volcanic islands within the archipelago known as the Spice Islands in Eastern Indonesia. Nutmeg was native to the Banda Islands. Image source: Wikimedia Commons
In 1602 the States-General of the Dutch Republic chartered the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC) — United East India Company in English, but commonly known as the Dutch East India Company — with a monopoly of trade with Asia. In 2012 it was claimed to be the most valuable company in history and in December 2017 multiple media outlets including Dutch ones, reported on a current day valuation of $7.9 trillion, equivalent to a market value of 20 global corporations, headed by Apple Inc.
The claim is real fake news as it is not based on evidence from the extensive surviving VOC documentation. The company was dissolved in 1799.
here and here). This isn’t exactly a new phenomenon and Jonathan Swift, the Irish writer, wrote in 1710:“Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…”The Dutch East India Company (VOC) is regarded as the first modern multinational as by the renewal of its charter in 1623, its shares were not only traded on stock exchanges but it had a permanent capital while directors and shareholders had limited liability.
Following Apple’s milestone in 2012 in becoming the most valuable listed company, the false claims on VOC’s value began when Motley Fool, the US financial website, posted a report on the most valuable companies in history.
Last December a Canadian company Visual Capitalist of Vancouver, which produces digital media content for investors produced an infographic and content on ‘The Most Valuable Companies of All-Time.’
The company said: “Widely considered the world’s first financial bubble, the history of Tulip Mania is a fantastic story in itself. During this frothy time, the Dutch East India Company was worth ƒ78m Dutch guilders, which translates to a whopping $7.9 trillion in modern dollars.”
This gives a 1637 guilder conversion rate of about 100,000 to the current US dollar!!
There was no Tulip Mania in 1637 — a small group were involved in speculation on rare tulip bulbs and the contracts between speculators were declared legally invalid;
The value of f78 million Dutch guilders is false. The true market capitalisation of ƒ19.3m in 1637 converts to ƒ489.75m or €222.24m in 2016 according to Dutch inflation data from 1450 provided by the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW) — see the first article linked to below.
The issued capital of VOC was ƒ6,429,588 (remained fixed from 1602 to 1799) and in 1720, the peak year of the South Sea Company Bubble in London and the Compagnie du Mississippi/ Compagnie d’Occident Bubble in Paris (both companies were chartered to privatise the sovereign debt of Britain and France), VOC shares hit an all-time peak of over 1,200% of the IPO price.
If the market capitalisation of VOC of ƒ78 million related to 1720, the euro value would be €805 million or $807 million in 2016.
By 1721, the VOC share price was down about 50% from its peak.
The share price of the British East India Company (EIC) had an all-time peak of £420 in 1720 and was down to £150 in the summer of 1721.
The Golden Age for the VOC was the first half of the 17th century and for the EIC the second half of the 18th century when it ruled a big chunk of India and according to records, its standing army in 1803 was 233,000 men — greater than the British Army.
The EIC was the most powerful company in history.
It’s not clear where the 2012 value of $7.4 trillion came from and Jeff Desjardins, the founder and editor of Visual Capitalist, just updated that figure with 2013-2017 inflation.
Repeat something often enough and it can become a fact because it’s too much hassle to check the evidence.
The Dutch were better at keeping records and that’s why the EIC isn’t among the most valuable companies. Besides, how would its role as the world’s greatest illicit drugs cartel be quantified?
Karl Marx who had coined the term “religion is the opium of the people” in 1843, wrote in 1858 that the British Empire was “preaching free trade in poison”, and by the start of the 20th century China with a population of 400 million was in the grip of an opium addiction disaster on a scale that had never been seen before or since, in the history of humanity.
In summary, comparing values of modern listed companies with two of the first listed companies is ridiculous but it generates headlines.
The number of shareholders of the VOC and EIC was small while funding via bonds and loans was more important than equity. The VOC left debt outstanding of about ƒ120 million on its collapse and it was added to the Dutch national debt.
The EIC during its history either bailed-out the British government or the reverse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/opinion/sunday/truth-lies-spread-online.html
quy giá trị vốn hóa cty theo ngày công lao động phổ thông
apple có vốn hóa 1300 tỷ usd/30,000usd (1 năm công lđộng phổ thông hiện nay, tính luôn mỹ cho xông xênh) = 43tr ngày công
Dutch east india có vốn hóa đỉnh điểm 78tr dutch guilder / 315 = 250,000 ngày công (ngay cả cái vốn hóa 78tr dutch guilder k biết Business insider lấy từ đâu ra?)
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-todays-tech-giants-compare-to-massive-companies-of-empires-past-2017-12
1 năm lương của 1 người lao động không kỹ năng vào năm 1660 được trả công tầm 314 guilder, như ở mỹ hiện tại 1 ông lao động phổ thông được trả tầm 30,000usd hay 1 guilder = 100usd với thời giá hiện tại (quy đổi theo giá trị sức lao động)
mà Business insider tính tỷ giá 1 dutch guilder = 100,000usd(2 kg vàng), ảo quá trời luôn
liệu 1660 1 người lao động phổ thông có được trả 2kg vàng cho 1 năm lao động không?
https://lensonleeuwenhoek.net/content/what-was-guilder-worth
https://www.finfacts-blog.com/2018/03/claim-dutch-east-india-co-most-valuable.html
http://vanosnabrugge.org/docs/dutchmoney.htm
Mitssipi co.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Mississippi-Bubble
625,000 cổ x 18,000 livre 1 cổ hay 11.25 tỷ livre
93 livre đổi 1 ounce vàng năm 1726, cứ coi vàng giá trị nội hàm như nhau giữa 2019 và 1726 thì 1 livre tương đương 16usd hiện tại
vậy giá trị Mississipi tương đương 183 tỷ usd hiện tại, mà bài báo lại nói là 6800 tỷ usd
Thêm đó nữa GDP pháp năm 1760 tầm 8 tỷ livres, mà cty này giá trị 11.25 ty livres
GDP pháp ngay cả thời điểm hiện tại -đã điều chỉnh lạm phát (tức phải cao hơn rất nhiều 1760) cũng chỉ 2800 tỷ usd, vậy làm sao Mitssissipi có thể đạt vốn hóa 6800 tỷ năm 1720?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_livre
https://www.britannica.com/event/Mississippi-Bubble
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_France
https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/27692/1/MPRA_paper_27692.pdf
Claim Dutch East India Company most valuable in history not credible
This statue of Jan Pieterszoon Coen (1587-1629), the VOC governor general for Asia, was erected in his native Dutch town of Hoorn in 1893. In 1621 Coen had organised the genocide of about 14,000 inhabitants of the Banda Islands, a group of small volcanic islands within the archipelago known as the Spice Islands in Eastern Indonesia. Nutmeg was native to the Banda Islands. Image source: Wikimedia Commons
In 1602 the States-General of the Dutch Republic chartered the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC) — United East India Company in English, but commonly known as the Dutch East India Company — with a monopoly of trade with Asia. In 2012 it was claimed to be the most valuable company in history and in December 2017 multiple media outlets including Dutch ones, reported on a current day valuation of $7.9 trillion, equivalent to a market value of 20 global corporations, headed by Apple Inc.
The claim is real fake news as it is not based on evidence from the extensive surviving VOC documentation. The company was dissolved in 1799.
here and here). This isn’t exactly a new phenomenon and Jonathan Swift, the Irish writer, wrote in 1710:“Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…”The Dutch East India Company (VOC) is regarded as the first modern multinational as by the renewal of its charter in 1623, its shares were not only traded on stock exchanges but it had a permanent capital while directors and shareholders had limited liability.
Following Apple’s milestone in 2012 in becoming the most valuable listed company, the false claims on VOC’s value began when Motley Fool, the US financial website, posted a report on the most valuable companies in history.
Last December a Canadian company Visual Capitalist of Vancouver, which produces digital media content for investors produced an infographic and content on ‘The Most Valuable Companies of All-Time.’
The company said: “Widely considered the world’s first financial bubble, the history of Tulip Mania is a fantastic story in itself. During this frothy time, the Dutch East India Company was worth ƒ78m Dutch guilders, which translates to a whopping $7.9 trillion in modern dollars.”
This gives a 1637 guilder conversion rate of about 100,000 to the current US dollar!!
There was no Tulip Mania in 1637 — a small group were involved in speculation on rare tulip bulbs and the contracts between speculators were declared legally invalid;
The value of f78 million Dutch guilders is false. The true market capitalisation of ƒ19.3m in 1637 converts to ƒ489.75m or €222.24m in 2016 according to Dutch inflation data from 1450 provided by the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW) — see the first article linked to below.
The issued capital of VOC was ƒ6,429,588 (remained fixed from 1602 to 1799) and in 1720, the peak year of the South Sea Company Bubble in London and the Compagnie du Mississippi/ Compagnie d’Occident Bubble in Paris (both companies were chartered to privatise the sovereign debt of Britain and France), VOC shares hit an all-time peak of over 1,200% of the IPO price.
If the market capitalisation of VOC of ƒ78 million related to 1720, the euro value would be €805 million or $807 million in 2016.
By 1721, the VOC share price was down about 50% from its peak.
The share price of the British East India Company (EIC) had an all-time peak of £420 in 1720 and was down to £150 in the summer of 1721.
The Golden Age for the VOC was the first half of the 17th century and for the EIC the second half of the 18th century when it ruled a big chunk of India and according to records, its standing army in 1803 was 233,000 men — greater than the British Army.
The EIC was the most powerful company in history.
It’s not clear where the 2012 value of $7.4 trillion came from and Jeff Desjardins, the founder and editor of Visual Capitalist, just updated that figure with 2013-2017 inflation.
Repeat something often enough and it can become a fact because it’s too much hassle to check the evidence.
The Dutch were better at keeping records and that’s why the EIC isn’t among the most valuable companies. Besides, how would its role as the world’s greatest illicit drugs cartel be quantified?
Karl Marx who had coined the term “religion is the opium of the people” in 1843, wrote in 1858 that the British Empire was “preaching free trade in poison”, and by the start of the 20th century China with a population of 400 million was in the grip of an opium addiction disaster on a scale that had never been seen before or since, in the history of humanity.
In summary, comparing values of modern listed companies with two of the first listed companies is ridiculous but it generates headlines.
The number of shareholders of the VOC and EIC was small while funding via bonds and loans was more important than equity. The VOC left debt outstanding of about ƒ120 million on its collapse and it was added to the Dutch national debt.
The EIC during its history either bailed-out the British government or the reverse.
